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post 18/04/2017 - 07:49:33 |   Post #41
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Citation (S3B @ 11/04/2017 - 10:00:06) *
...fait plus penser à un bug ( juste un de plus )...



Tu veux vraiment une réponse sur ça ?
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post 18/04/2017 - 09:09:26 |   Post #42
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Bah, comme il y a eu plus d'un problème, et ce, depuis un an, oui, il faut envisager un bug...

J'ai constaté des 'petits détails', des 'petits changements', 'bugs' ou autres 'soucis'... par rapport à l'autre hébergement.


Je comprends pas ton énervement...

Et ça ne réponds pas à mes questions.... quels genres de fichiers vérolés, et ou vont les spams ?
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post 18/04/2017 - 10:13:14 |   Post #43
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On sait bien qu'il y a eu des soucis lors du transfert de serveur. Chacun a fait ce qu'il était en mesure de faire avec les moyens qu'il avait.

Le FTP je le connais par coeur car ça fait plus de 13 ans que je le pratique et y place des fichiers. Quand il y a un fichier qui se trouve dessus et qui n'a rien à y faire, je sais encore le reconnaître. Et un fichier qui renomme mes fichiers existants, encode son propre code, rendant difficile voire impossible sa lecture, s'insère en tête de certains fichiers, je sais aussi que c'est un fichier malicieux. Donc si je te dis qu'il y a des fichiers sur notre serveur implantés par un inconnu c'est qu'il y en a.

OVH a bloqué l'envoi de mails depuis notre serveur car ils ont détecté plusieurs envois de spams en masse. J'imagine que eux aussi ne savent pas de quoi ils parlent ?

Dis toi bien que le hacker n'en a rien à foutre de toi et des autres membres de 17buddies. Ce n'est pas ton adresse mail qui est visée. Là on est à une bien plus grande échelle. Il se sert de notre serveur comme d'un tremplin pour réaliser d'autres actions sans être repéré et il est bien évident que moins il se fera voir, mieux il se portera. Il est d'ailleurs pas exclus que cela serve à des organisations terroristes ou au grand banditisme. On ne sait pas mais ça pourrait.

Lorsque Google m'a averti que des fichiers frauduleux étaient implantés sur nos pages cela faisait plus de 2 mois qu'ils étaient dessus et qu'ils faisaient on ne sait quoi et pourtant personne ne l'avait remarqué.

Donc désolé de contredire ta théorie du hacker boutonneux qui va fanfaronner devant ses copains de classe mais là on joue pas dans la même cour.

17b a fonctionné pendant 13 ans, en autorisant l'upload de milliers de fichiers sur le site, en redistribuant des centaines de Gigas de datas à des milliers de membres sans qu'il y ait de problème majeur pendant ces 13 années.

Maintenant, venir dire (ou du moins laisser sous entendre) que le site est bourré de bugs, que le hacker est en fait un des admins, que ce hack n'en est pas un et que j'ai des lubies,...oui, cela m'énerve.

Rien de plus à ajouter. Affaire classée pour moi.

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post 18/04/2017 - 10:32:35 |   Post #44
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Ok

Donc 17B, c'est fini... pas la peine de chercher quelqu'un qui mettrait le nez dans ton code... il n'y aura personne.

Et faire des suppositions, ce n'est pas ''(ou du moins laisser sous entendre)'', c'est juste essayer de comprendre et essayer d'avancer !


Quelqu'un a un accès Ftp, ou a, du moins, accès au serveur... sinon pas moyen d'y ajouter un fichier.
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post 18/04/2017 - 11:31:10 |   Post #45
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Et quelqu'un qui a accès à un serveur pour y déposer des fichiers sans y être autorisé, ça s'appelle comment ?


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post 18/04/2017 - 13:36:58 |   Post #46
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Et quelqu'un qui a accès à un serveur pour y déposer des fichiers sans y être autorisé, ça s'appelle comment ?


Un bug, une faille, une faute, ou peut-être un hacker... bref les causes peuvent être multiples !


J'ai aussi, pour ma part, assez signalé les
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J'ai constaté des 'petits détails', des 'petits changements', 'bugs' ou autres 'soucis'... par rapport à l'autre hébergement.
sans que personne n'y prête attention, voire, m'ignore.

Donc , dire que
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cela faisait plus de 2 mois qu'ils étaient dessus et qu'ils faisaient on ne sait quoi et pourtant personne ne l'avait remarqué.

c'est juste un peu gros, sachant que je n'ai pas accès Ftp et donc je ne peux pas surveiller...

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On sait bien qu'il y a eu des soucis lors du transfert de serveur. Chacun a fait ce qu'il était en mesure de faire avec les moyens qu'il avait.

Bah ué, le soucis, vient de là, à la base... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_cry.gif) et j'ai assez râlé, à l'époque, suffit d'aller voir le topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post 18/04/2017 - 14:03:47 |   Post #47
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Accessoirement tu peux rigoler tant que tu veux sur la notion de grand banditisme. Moi ça vient de me coûter plus de 4000 € avec le piratage d'un autocommutateur par le biais d'un hacker qui utilisait un serveur de manière frauduleuse (comme dans notre cas) pour passer des millions d'appels vers des pays d'extrème orient.

L'enquete de police a déterminé qu'il s'agit d'un réseau très bien organisé qui envoie des datas cryptées sur des serveurs étrangers. On ne m'en a pas dit plus que cela. Mais moi je sais qu'il a fallu que j'indemnise mon client à hauteur de 4000 € pour ne pas lui avoir dit qu'il fallait qu'il change les mots de passe par défaut.

Et son cas n'est pas unique. Pour preuve ici:

https://www.undernews.fr/hacking-hacktivism...lephonique.html

Là c'est un peu différent car il s'agit d'arnaque aux appels surtaxés mais le principe reste le même.

Bref, rigoles tant que tu veux mais quand tu seras sorti de ton monde de bisounours où tous les hackers sont des ados prépubères boutonneux et quand tu arrêteras de jouer ton Calimero à toujours te plaindre et dire que c'est de la faute des autres nous pourrons discuter calmement entre adultes responsables.
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post 18/04/2017 - 14:13:29 |   Post #48
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rhoo bah arrête de me jeter des exemples à la figure... je ne rigole pas, et je ne dis pas que tu racontes des conneries...

Dans les faits et actes, on peut dire que :

1/ Le site/serveur plante depuis le début, avec une fréquence plus élevée maintenant... et ça commencer à planter sur l'ancien, de souvenir, j'ai pas mal envoyé de sms, à l'époque

2/ j'ai passé mon temps, puis arrété, car ignoré, à dire qu'il y avait des trucs bizarres sur le site...

Ca, ce sont des faits, cf mes posts, mes Mp et aussi les dizaines de Sms envoyés, sur les 2-3 années passées...

J'aime pas ta façon de me répondre, tu me connais et sais comment je poste, donc arrête de tout interpréter de la mauvaise façon.


Ca n'avance à rien ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)

Et qd je dis bug, ça veut aussi dire que ça n'est pas irréversible et que ça peut être corrigé (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) d'où mon insistance !

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nous pourrons discuter calmement entre adultes responsables.

Il faudrait, pour cela, que tu sois un peu moins imperméable aux suggestions faites, et ne pas tout interpréter en négatif...

Ce que j'en dis... si je perds mon temps, dis le et je me casse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_kimouss.gif)


Ps: rien que dans ce topic, il y a eu des gens qui proposent leur aide... donc il est pas trop tard pour agir !
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post 18/04/2017 - 14:49:08 |   Post #49
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Je ne vois aucune suggestion dans ce post et aucune aide sérieuse proposée.

J'ai une seule personne qui m'a contacté en privé pour essayer de jeter un oeil aux logs et paramétrage du serveur, ce qu'il est en train de faire actuellement.

Une seule personne....

De toute façon, ne rêvez pas: même si le hacker semble avoir changé de terrain de jeu, de toute façon c'est faute de moyens que 17b s'arrêtera en Juillet.

Donc au bout d'un moment, il faut être lucide et passer à autre chose, donc oui je te le dis: tu perds ton temps, tout comme moi (sauf que moi j'ai décidé de ne plus le perdre).

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post 18/04/2017 - 14:59:09 |   Post #50
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J'ai une seule personne qui m'a contacté en privé pour essayer de jeter un oeil aux logs et paramétrage du serveur, ce qu'il est en train de faire actuellement.

Une seule personne....

Ah bah faut aller la chercher l'info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Une seule personne...
a suffit à faire vivre 17b jusqu'ici (IMG:style_emoticons/default/siffle.gif)


Qui te dis que ça ne vas continuer ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_ane.gif)

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post 18/04/2017 - 15:04:30 |   Post #51
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Comprends pas...Mais c'est pas grave.

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post 18/04/2017 - 15:20:26 |   Post #52
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bah malgré les multiples posts, tu ne dis pas que quelqu'un va ( peut être ) dépatouillé le problème, ou du moins, y regarde de plus près...

Et une seule personne a suffit a sauver 17b ( Eatingpizza) donc rien n'est perdu (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) car depuis le début de ce sujet, tu es pessimiste et défaitiste
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post 18/04/2017 - 16:40:58 |   Post #53
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Ni pessimiste, ni défaitiste: Juste réaliste. Noël est passé depuis longtemps.

On va peut-être sortir d'un problème (hacking) pour sûrement entrer dans un autre (financement).
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post 22/04/2017 - 12:21:07 |   Post #54
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Deux nouvelles, une bonne et une mauvaise...

Je commence par la bonne nouvelle:

Avec le travail acharné de Arkshine sur la sécurité de notre serveur, je pense que nous sommes bien partis pour pouvoir conserver encore celui-ci quelques temps.


La mauvaise est que si rien n'est fait d'ici Juillet, le serveur s'arrêtera de lui même, faute de financement. Nous n'aurons pas un sauveur comme Eating Pizza à chaque fois.
Je vous invite donc d'ores et déjà à essayer de trouver des solutions rapidement (peut-être regarder du coté des plateformes de crowfunding).

Ce qui est certain, c'est que je ne m'en occuperais pas. Il est donc de votre ressort de faire en sorte que 17buddies continue ou pas... A vous de jouer

Si vous trouvez le financement, je continuerai à avoir un oeil bienveillant sur le site et à aider si je le peux de temps en temps. Sinon, c'est sans regrets que je le laisserai mourir.


Je vois déjà arriver les "Yaka Fokon"..S'il vous plait, évitez ça et si vous n'avez rien de concret et solide à proposer, passez votre chemin.

Je vous invite à créer un topic spécial financement afin de ne pas continuer sur celui-ci (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_jap.gif)


=========================================================================

Two news, one good and one bad ...

I'll start with the good one:

With the very hard work of Arkshine on our server security, I think we are on the right way to secure our server and so be able to still keep it for some time.


The bad news is that if nothing is done by July, the server will stop himself, for lack of funding. We will not have a savior like Eating Pizza every time. Great Thanks to him!!!

So I invite you to try to find solutions quickly (maybe look at crowfunding platforms).

What is certain is that I would not take care of it. It is therefore up to you to ensure that 17buddies continues or not ... It's your choice

If you find funding, I will continue to have a benevolent eye on the site and help if I can from time to time. Otherwise, I will let him die without any regret.


I can already see the "just do this; just do that". Please avoid this and if you have nothing concrete and solid to propose, go your way.

I invite you to create a special topic financing so do not continue on this one: jap:

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post 26/04/2017 - 18:27:26 |   Post #55
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 10/04/2017 - 17:24:42) *
Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...


QUOTE (LiveWire @ 10/04/2017 - 18:08:22) *
https://archive.org

I`ve seen 30 - 40 GB archives on archive.org, But 387 Gb is far to large I think you would need to split them by game and maybe even alphabetically.

If you want I can contact valve and see if they are interested, its a long shot but worth a try.


QUOTE (Lanm @ 11/04/2017 - 00:41:47) *
I know that it sounds strange but:
1) Torrent clients are diversifying seeding i.e. ideally torrent client would upload 387 GB of data and then downloaded data will be redistributed by seeders, each will be distributing own downloaded chunk. You are basically uploading it, there is no difference: you can even limit number of connections and bandwidth and then you stop if you uploaded 400GB for example and check if everybody got a copy few days later and if there are holes in availability you seed some time again.
2) There are lots of people with big HDDs. I personally have 1 empty 1TB drive.
3) There are better compression methods likeLZMA2, Bzip2 (both available in 7zip).

Given how much feedback you have seen from people wanting to help you will easily replicate archive multiple times on seedboxes.

I can download 387GB in 57 hours through 15Mbit/s connection.


Downloading 300+ GiB of data throught BitTorrent with only one seed is near to impossible, no matter how much time you have and what's your connection speed.

Uploading it all to Internet Archive is an option but the current submission size limit is 10 GiB, if I recall correctly. Not sure whether there is a size limit to how much one account can upload.

In my opinion, the best option would be to find someone to host this data. GAMEBANANA is a good option. There's also CS-BG, a site which pops-up in first results when you search for Counter-Strike maps - I'm sure they'll be interested.

Also an option is to disable uploading and make a simple read-only archive from which everyone can download. An example of such would be Quaddicted (yes, right now you can upload new maps there, but users are also encouraged to make local backups of this archive).

In the end, if none of this is possible, at least release a simple plain-text list of all maps so people could manually find them on the web. Better to know the names of the maps we lost than nothing at all.

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post 27/04/2017 - 02:00:38 |   Post #56
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>Downloading 300+ GiB of data throught BitTorrent with only one seed is near to impossible, no matter how much time you have and what's your connection speed.
>Uploading it all to Internet Archive is an option

There is no specific magic in uploading 300GB of data to website which will fix "1 seed" problem. Pay specific attention to part (1) of my post.

Torrenting something is in almost no way worse than uploading to website.

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post 27/04/2017 - 17:28:02 |   Post #57
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Hey!

I get alerted with Quaddicted is mentioned on the web (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My french c'est non-existant et terrible and Google Translate really sucks so I could not understand most of this thread.

What I got:

You have ~1TB of game files that even compressed are still ~400GB? No problem (either way), I can provide you with an rsync endpoint to upload to and see to distribute it as torrent (seeded with 1GBit/s, zero issue with that size), ingest it into the Internet Archive or whatever you like. If it is CS and HL maps I would probably even just host them at Quaddicted in https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ or something.

With your permission I would also make an web archive of these forums so that they are complete in the Wayback Machine?

If you are worried about code etc, you could also dump a copy of everything with me if you like. I have dumps of sensitive data here and there and treat them responsible (giving out things from cold storage only by reasonable and proven request).

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QUOTE (Lanm @ 27/04/2017 - 02:00:38) *
>Downloading 300+ GiB of data throught BitTorrent with only one seed is near to impossible, no matter how much time you have and what's your connection speed.
>Uploading it all to Internet Archive is an option

There is no specific magic in uploading 300GB of data to website which will fix "1 seed" problem. Pay specific attention to part (1) of my post.

Torrenting something is in almost no way worse than uploading to website.


There are too many factors that affect connection speed to just simply say that there's no difference between protocols. I doubt uploading a one-and-a-half-hour-long video via BitTorrent being the only seed will be the same as uploading it to YouTube.

BitTorrent is a good solution only if you will get enough people. And, unfortunately, nowadays not many are interested in custom maps of various quality for games that came out more than ten years ago.

QUOTE (SpiritQuaddicted @ 27/04/2017 - 17:28:02) *
Hey!

I get alerted with Quaddicted is mentioned on the web (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My french c'est non-existant et terrible and Google Translate really sucks so I could not understand most of this thread.

What I got:

You have ~1TB of game files that even compressed are still ~400GB? No problem (either way), I can provide you with an rsync endpoint to upload to and see to distribute it as torrent (seeded with 1GBit/s, zero issue with that size), ingest it into the Internet Archive or whatever you like. If it is CS and HL maps I would probably even just host them at Quaddicted in https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ or something.

With your permission I would also make an web archive of these forums so that they are complete in the Wayback Machine?

If you are worried about code etc, you could also dump a copy of everything with me if you like. I have dumps of sensitive data here and there and treat them responsible (giving out things from cold storage only by reasonable and proven request).

Allez le bleuz! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_kimouss.gif)


Well, looks like the solution is found.

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*bump* as I haven't got any message yet.

Don't let your wonderful archive die with the server please! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post 06/05/2017 - 21:48:35 |   Post #60
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I invite you to contact me by mail in july (I will send you my email address by MP) .

If we haven't found a solution for financing server perhaps will we think about your proposition.

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post 11/05/2017 - 01:18:39 |   Post #61
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How much do we need to fund every month?
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post 11/05/2017 - 16:14:36 |   Post #62
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I don't really know.

Eating Pizza has paid for one year (or more). Only him has the answer and can tell us.

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post 11/05/2017 - 23:23:51 |   Post #63
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Is it possible to learn from him?
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post 12/05/2017 - 09:23:58 |   Post #64
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It's written on the site index (donation widget): 83€ / month.

Server is likely: https://www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/hosting/173host2.xml, which is kind of overpowered for the needs.

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post 13/05/2017 - 00:43:56 |   Post #65
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80€ / month was a years. I believe required donation amount is outdated.
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post 13/05/2017 - 08:23:56 |   Post #66
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No, it's correct. The machine specs from the server console are:

- Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-1620 @ 3.60GHz
- 64 Go RAM
- 2 To HD

It matches the link above. 69 € HT = 83.99 €.

You are not going to pay 7€/month for this kind of specs. That doesn't exist.
Dedicated server on OVH starts from 72€ / month.

I don't know why Pizza took such big dedicated server, even though the site is hit hard by the bots, it's still fairly overpowered.

I guess the disk usage requirement > 500 Go is problematic. Having a VPS SSD 3 like this one https://www.ovh.com/fr/vps/vps-ssd.xml would likely enough but 40 Go is not enough, and one 500 Go additional disk costs +36 €/month. Looks like storage is very costly everywhere, but you would be already at 50.39 €/month (and you would still need more spaces). At the end, you are not far away from a dedicated server which offers 2 To with better specs. At best, we would need to pay 72€/m. And looking at others hosts, OVH is cheaper with better specs...

Current usage:
- CPU : usually < 20% (there is no statistic, but the load average is always quite low)
- Mem: usually around 5% (~4 Go)
- Disk: 28% (516.34 GB)
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post 13/05/2017 - 19:09:54 |   Post #67
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Don't know if amount is correct, but I think that it must not be so far. 80€ seems to be a good price.
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 10/04/2017 - 18:24:42) *
Making a torrent of those files means downloading all 387Gb files (yes: 387 Gb), making a torrent (who wants to make such a big torrent ?) and upload it somewhere because I don't want to share my personal bandwidth with hundreds of peers.


We don't want to share your lastest 20Mb holidays pictures. We speak of 387 Gb zipped files !!

We are waiting for realistics suggestions...


Hello , my name is Razvan Dinica from Iasi,Romania.
I`m an old user of this site cause is the best map finder.
I`m the founder of an community (i dont want advertising , you can ask in private details.) and i always use maps for my servers from 17buddies from years.
I can host your site for free. Indeed 387 GB i cannot put on your service.
I can host the site for free as long as the domain is valid if you find a FTP.

And i have premium on mediafire.com. 1 TB of space.
I can mirror a folder in my account.
Please consider this offer cause every time when i wanted a map , you were there to serve me and my community.

Edit : archieve is 387 GB. How much space is unpacked? I`m reseller and i can obtain also a good price for extra space needed.

This post has been edited by dyablows: 14/05/2017 - 17:17:49
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post 14/05/2017 - 23:09:23 |   Post #69
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I can afford 5-7€ per month to keep the site alive. It takes major part not only in maps itself but for GoldSrc games too, it must not die!
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post 23/05/2017 - 22:09:30 |   Post #70
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Maybe it's time to create a new topic and post-it it in the warning news in top of the site.

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post 28/05/2017 - 02:10:53 |   Post #71
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Unfortunately a site dies when there is no activity on it. And then donating fails too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac.gif)
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post 06/06/2017 - 01:20:11 |   Post #72
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This site will not die , trust me.
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post 19/06/2017 - 09:08:28 |   Post #73
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It'll be a great loss to the already anemic HL community if this site goes down. We've lost a number of sites and communities over the past 7 years which took with them huge amounts of content lost to the sands of time.

If the site is unable to continue, I have several terabytes of space and can absorb the content catalog to avoid it being lost forever. Quaddicted would be the best choice if you'd want the content to remain online, I would only be able to archive it in cold storage and only have small portions of it available since I don't have huge pipes to move tons of data to the internet at large.
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post 20/06/2017 - 12:34:38 |   Post #74
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I`ve talked with Chapo and Arkshine , the site will not die.
I will host it and the 17buddies will remain alive.
Just wait.
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post 20/06/2017 - 22:08:39 |   Post #75
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I confirm.

Dyablows seems to be honest and wants to keep the 17buddies community alive.

We trust him and we will help him in this transfer.

17buddies will not die (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_ami.gif)
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post 21/06/2017 - 21:35:09 |   Post #76
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QUOTE (Chapo @ 20/06/2017 - 23:08:39) *
I confirm.

Dyablows seems to be honest and wants to keep the 17buddies community alive.

We trust him and we will help him in this transfer.

17buddies will not die (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_ami.gif)



Great news, It would of been a shame if 17Buddies disappeared. Especially since it has the largest Goldsource map collection.
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